From: PC Paul on
Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Paul {Hamilton Rooney}" <craig(a)oil.com> wrote in message
> news:4f6he2hfp2jctc1rq3i75beg5iovsft9e1(a)4ax.com
>
> [repetition snipped]
>
> Repeating yourself, particularly when lying, doesn't help.
>

Aha, the penny drops!

Or did you mean him?


From: Brimstone on
Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:wuSdnRaj8KgCCXXZRVny2A(a)bt.com
>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:H-2dnbqyyYFXDnXZRVny1Q(a)bt.com
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> In which case, until you give a sound reason why we
>>>> should not consider and describe you as a European
>>>> that's what you'll be.
>>>
>>> Because I have asked you not to call me one. However as
>>> you have no respect for others I guess I will have to
>>> put up with it. But I will not do so silently.
>>
>> I have great respect for other people. However I will not
>> collude in deceit.
>
> But you're not deceiving anyone. Those who believe I am right will
> continue to do so. Those who believe I am wrong will also continue to
> do so.

You're quite right, I'm not, nor attempting to, deceive anyone. The person
doing the deceiving is you.

>
> Therefore the *only* issue on the table is your refusal to respect
> another person's wishes.

The only issue on the table is your refusal to accept a simple fact of life,
or offer information to cause others to review their position.


> That makes you wrong.

It certainly doesn't make you right.


From: Ivor Jones on
"Richard Brookman"
<THErichard.brookmanOBVIOUS(a)btinternet.com> wrote in
message news:4krfi0Fd7mr0U1(a)individual.net

[snip]

> You live there. Whether you "relate" to it in a
> congnitive/political/historical/ethnic sense is another
> matter, and is irrelevant.

But it *isn't* - it is *very* relevant..! It is *everything*..!

> > > therefore I cannot be a European.
>
> England is in Europe, as India is in Asia. You live in
> England, therefore you live in Europe, therefore you are
> European,

The last point is where you are wrong. It is perfectly possible to live in
Europe without being a European.

> in the same way that an Indian is also an
> Asian. Otherwise, every other speaker of English in the
> world would be wrong and you would be right.
> I am beginning to suspect that you believe this.
>
> Note: no abuse or foul language, just logic.

I believe two things. One, I am not a European, two, most people here have
no respect for others wishes.

Ivor


From: Brimstone on
Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Richard Brookman"
> <THErichard.brookmanOBVIOUS(a)btinternet.com> wrote in
> message news:4krfi0Fd7mr0U1(a)individual.net
>
> [snip]
>
>> You live there. Whether you "relate" to it in a
>> congnitive/political/historical/ethnic sense is another
>> matter, and is irrelevant.
>
> But it *isn't* - it is *very* relevant..! It is *everything*..!
>
>>>> therefore I cannot be a European.
>>
>> England is in Europe, as India is in Asia. You live in
>> England, therefore you live in Europe, therefore you are
>> European,
>
> The last point is where you are wrong. It is perfectly possible to
> live in Europe without being a European.
>
>> in the same way that an Indian is also an
>> Asian. Otherwise, every other speaker of English in the
>> world would be wrong and you would be right.
>> I am beginning to suspect that you believe this.
>>
>> Note: no abuse or foul language, just logic.
>
> I believe two things. One, I am not a European, two, most people here
> have no respect for others wishes.

Where is "here"?


From: Ivor Jones on


"Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:14mdnavQzPrDNXXZnZ2dnUVZ8tednZ2d(a)bt.com
> Ivor Jones wrote:

[snip]

> > How..? Let's say that two white males are walking along
> > the street in front of you. Brown hair, blue or brown
> > eyes, say 6ft tall. Both dressed in the usual
> > jeans/t-shirt or whatever. Neither speak or do anything
> > at all. How can you tell their origin..?
>
> They're both European.

Why might they not be American or Australian..? I personally know two
Americans that fit that description.

Ivor