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From: you knob head on 20 Aug 2006 15:47 Seems like this posting is getting very tired and boring now. The fun has gone out of it. "Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9825B3C5F26ECadrianachapmanfreeis(a)204.153.244.170... > Ivor Jones (ivor(a)despammed.invalid) gurgled happily, sounding much like > they were saying : > >> Unspeakable apology for a human being. >> >> Ivor > > See, you're getting the hang of it.
From: you knob head on 20 Aug 2006 15:48 Seems like this posting is getting very tired and boring now. The fun has gone out of it. "Alex Heney" <me8(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:4sffe2lgrper09ciavc0a27sk5utdltrgu(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 09:16:32 +0100, "Brimstone" > <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >>Paul {Hamilton Rooney} wrote: >>> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 08:08:44 +0100, "Brimstone" >>> <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> "Alex Heney" <me8(a)privacy.net> wrote in message >>>> news:5lhce2dfu34qn4ppn7o1frf94sgfl0t2fv(a)4ax.com... >>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 21:50:58 +0100, Tony Raven >>>>> <junk(a)raven-family.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Alex Heney wrote on 18/08/2006 21:40 +0100: >>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:58:04 GMT, JAF >>>>>>> <anarchSPAMKILLER(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:07:41 +0100, Paul {Hamilton Rooney} >>>>>>>> <craig(a)oil.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It meant a fixed thing or place. >>>>>>>> Post (stick in the ground) and post (mail) have different >>>>>>>> origins. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And "undertake" (to take upon oneself), "undertake" (to carry out >>>>>>> funerals) and "undertake" (to pass on the "wrong" side) all have >>>>>>> different origins. >>>>>> >>>>>> But only the first two are recognised by the OED. >>>>> >>>>> True. >>>>> >>>>> But give it time :-) >>>> >>>> How long? >>>> >>> >>> I'd guess two or three years. >> >>Hmmm, I've been hearing it used in the sense of passing another vehicle on >>the nearside for as many decades, how come the OED haven't included it >>yet? >> > > The OED require print evidence of it having been used with that > meaning. > > Didn't you watch "Balderdash and Piffle" on BBC2 recently? > -- > Alex Heney, Global Villager > If you have to ask what jazz is, you'll never know. > To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom
From: you knob head on 20 Aug 2006 15:48 Seems like this posting is getting very tired and boring now. The fun has gone out of it. "Paul {Hamilton Rooney}" <craig(a)oil.com> wrote in message news:tkhge2h67h4g8u67o9gkh6smi9buoaqs25(a)4ax.com... > On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:30:45 +0000 (UTC), Chris Malcolm > <cam(a)holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote: > >>In uk.rec.cycling Richard Brookman <richard.brookmanpants(a)btinternet.com> >>wrote: >>> Chris Malcolm wrote: >> >>> || In uk.rec.cycling Paul {Hamilton Rooney} <craig(a)oil.com> wrote: >>> || >>> ||||| It has become accepted usage. That is how languages evolve. >>> |||| >>> |||| So? >>> || >>> ||| Usage is king. There's no other criterion of right and wrong where >>> ||| language is concerned. How could there be? >>> || >>> || It couldn't be. Were usage the only criterion, there would be no >>> || change. >> >>> You're wrong, Paul's right. All languages (except dead ones like Latin >>> and >>> Ancient Greek) change all the time, and it's the usage that's changing. >>> How >>> could it be any other way? We don't wait for the OED to "officially" >>> change >>> the meaning of a word and then all fall into line and start using it. >>> It's >>> the other way round. >> >>If usage is what makes a usage right, and usage changes, then there >>must have been a period where some users were using a wrong usage >>which hadn't yet been sanctioned by enough usage to become a right >>usage. Those users must therefore have been using some other criterion >>of appropriate usage than rightness as defined by enough >>usage. > > Non sequitur. Why would they be using any criterion at all? They were just > using a word in a new and as yet unaccepted way. > >>Whatever that criterion was that pushed them into what was to >>begin with a wrong usage must therefore have influenced what later >>became correct usage. Therefore what is currently correct usage as >>defined by enough usage must in turn have originally derived from >>other criterion. > > As above. > > -- > > Paul Rooney > > "Rooney is one of these vandals and has done his utmost to help trash dl > and the > other groups which he regularly crossposts to. He's created a false FAQ > and charter" (Chris Lawrence in uk.rec.walking) > > "Also long time d.l. reader but never feel robust enough to post much, > especially since Rooney wrecked the group." (Rachel Sullivan in > uk.rec.walking) > > "Low life scum doesn't even begin to describe you. You are the most > loathsome > individual ever to cross the threshold of d.l." (JK in demon.local)
From: Brimstone on 20 Aug 2006 15:57 Mark Foster wrote: > In article <fNydnVKWru_wMnXZnZ2dnUVZ8qqdnZ2d(a)bt.com>, > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Ivor Jones wrote: >>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:14mdnavQzPrDNXXZnZ2dnUVZ8tednZ2d(a)bt.com >>>> Ivor Jones wrote: >>> >>> [snip] >>> >>>>> How..? Let's say that two white males are walking along >>>>> the street in front of you. Brown hair, blue or brown >>>>> eyes, say 6ft tall. Both dressed in the usual >>>>> jeans/t-shirt or whatever. Neither speak or do anything >>>>> at all. How can you tell their origin..? >>>> >>>> They're both European. >>> >>> Why might they not be American or Australian..? I personally know >>> two Americans that fit that description. >> >> However, their lineage is European, the same as yours. > > Wrong! If you're going to start down that road then their lineage is > ultimately African, the same as all of us. > > Just for the record, like Ivor, I am not European either. Personally, > I consider myself to be English. I also also consider myself English, but I'm still British and European.
From: Brimstone on 20 Aug 2006 16:00
Ivor Jones wrote: > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:z76dnc5GefPmKXXZRVnyjA(a)bt.com > > [snip] > >> Why do you not want to be called something that you are? > > Because I am not what you believe me to be. What do you believe I believe you to be? |