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From: Brimstone on 19 Aug 2006 14:19 "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message news:4kp305Fd9a9mU1(a)individual.net... > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:9f-dncWxYvDQyHrZnZ2dnUVZ8tednZ2d(a)bt.com > > [snip] > >> So the cultural and other influences that your parents, >> grandparents, aunts and uncles (assuming you have any) >> impressed upon you throughout your childhood have had no >> effect? > > Correct. My nationality is the country of my birth. Nothing else. No one has said any different.
From: Ivor Jones on 19 Aug 2006 14:20 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:sNednS1y7K-fy3rZnZ2dnUVZ8qGdnZ2d(a)bt.com [snip] > I don't have to shout anything to make you what you > already are. You are defined by country, state, continent > and (if ever the time comes) planet. Country. Nothing else. Give up. Ivor
From: Ivor Jones on 19 Aug 2006 14:20 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:rZWdnbZmTaWpy3rZnZ2dnUVZ8smdnZ2d(a)bt.com > "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message > news:4kp305Fd9a9mU1(a)individual.net... > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:9f-dncWxYvDQyHrZnZ2dnUVZ8tednZ2d(a)bt.com > > > > [snip] > > > > > So the cultural and other influences that your > > > parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles (assuming you > > > have any) impressed upon you throughout your > > > childhood have had no effect? > > > > Correct. My nationality is the country of my birth. > > Nothing else. > > No one has said any different. You said I am a European. I am not, I am an Englishman. Ivor
From: Brimstone on 19 Aug 2006 14:23 "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message news:4kp2u1FcsirbU1(a)individual.net... > > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:gdGdnWBrieveznrZRVnyjw(a)bt.com >> "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message >> news:4kp1qaFcsuhsU1(a)individual.net... >> > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> > news:xYWdnW_uQ-ZS0nrZnZ2dnUVZ8s-dnZ2d(a)bt.com >> > > "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message >> > > news:4kp14fFd9k96U1(a)individual.net... >> > >> > [snip] >> > >> > > > Now you're really talking cobblers. How can I not be >> > > > English if I was born in England..? >> > > >> > > Because of your parentage. >> > >> > My parentage has nothing to do with it. *I* am defined >> > by where *I* was born, not by where someone else was. >> > If my mother was born in Japan (she wasn't, by the way, >> > neither was she born in Wales) would that make me >> > Japanese..? >> >> It would make you part Japanese. > > I can't be part anything, unless you cut me into bits. Which bit would be > Japanese, my left leg..? Never heard of mixed race people, formerly known as "half-casts"? >> > > > I said I wasn't a European, which I'm not, and >> > > > nothing you say will make it otherwise, so give up >> > > > now, I never will. >> > > >> > > On the contrary, you are European whether you like it >> > > or not, and nothing you say will make it otherwise. >> > >> > Wrong. Give up now, I will take this on forever, you >> > will *never* make me say I am what I am not. Ever. Get >> > used to it. >> >> What you say is irrelevant, you are European. > > Wrong. Give up. > >> > > If you >> > > were born of parents whose ethnic origins are European >> > > then you are European. It's like being a human male, >> > > you don't get any say in the matter. >> > >> > I am defined by my country not continent, and by where >> > *I* was born not someone else. >> >> As are the Germans, the French, the Irish, the Dutch et >> al. They will all (with the exception of the usual >> weirdos) say they are nationals of their country, but >> they're still European. > > To you, maybe. To other people, maybe. Not to me. Give up. So are you saying that a person can only be one thing? That they cannot be defined by their place of birth, by their parentage/ethnic origin, by the continent in which their country lies? >> What makes you think you're >> different to the other 400,000,000 or so people who live >> on this continent? > > Nothing. If they want to describe themselves as something they're not, > that's up to them. I don't and never will. Give up. What they describe themselves as is irrelevant, it's what they are.
From: Brimstone on 19 Aug 2006 14:23
"Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message news:4kp32tFdaq2oU1(a)individual.net... > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:sNednS1y7K-fy3rZnZ2dnUVZ8qGdnZ2d(a)bt.com > > [snip] > >> I don't have to shout anything to make you what you >> already are. You are defined by country, state, continent >> and (if ever the time comes) planet. > > Country. Nothing else. Give up. Country, plus continent plus planet. |