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From: Brimstone on 19 Aug 2006 14:10 "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message news:4kp1t9Fd9flvU1(a)individual.net... > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:gKKdnSyNBsv6zXrZnZ2dnUVZ8tGdnZ2d(a)bt.com > > [snip] > >> It's a simple fact of life, like the colour of your hair >> or eyes. You're a European, unless your parents are of a >> different ethnic origin to the natives. > > Wrong. My parents have nothing to do with it, neither does a continent. I > am defined by my country of birth, and nothing, repeat *NOTHING* else. Are you serious? Are you really saying that you parents had nothing to do with your birth? There's no point in you putting your fingers in your ears and shouting to keep out the noise. Your country of birth is in Europe, therefore, even by your own definition, you are European.
From: Ivor Jones on 19 Aug 2006 14:14 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:O8mdnXqSgtm4yXrZRVnyqA(a)bt.com > "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message > news:4kp1t9Fd9flvU1(a)individual.net... > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:gKKdnSyNBsv6zXrZnZ2dnUVZ8tGdnZ2d(a)bt.com > > > > [snip] > > > > > It's a simple fact of life, like the colour of your > > > hair or eyes. You're a European, unless your parents > > > are of a different ethnic origin to the natives. > > > > Wrong. My parents have nothing to do with it, neither > > does a continent. I am defined by my country of birth, > > and nothing, repeat *NOTHING* else. > > Are you serious? Are you really saying that you parents > had nothing to do with your birth? No, I'm saying that their nationality has nothing to do with mine, apart from the fact that my mother was (obviously) in the country I was born in at the time. > There's no point in you putting your fingers in your ears > and shouting to keep out the noise. Your country of birth > is in Europe, therefore, even by your own definition, you > are European. There's no point in you putting your fingers in your ears and shouting "you're a European" because that still won't make me one. I am defined by my *country* not a continent. End of story. Ivor
From: Ivor Jones on 19 Aug 2006 14:17 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:gdGdnWBrieveznrZRVnyjw(a)bt.com > "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message > news:4kp1qaFcsuhsU1(a)individual.net... > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:xYWdnW_uQ-ZS0nrZnZ2dnUVZ8s-dnZ2d(a)bt.com > > > "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message > > > news:4kp14fFd9k96U1(a)individual.net... > > > > [snip] > > > > > > Now you're really talking cobblers. How can I not be > > > > English if I was born in England..? > > > > > > Because of your parentage. > > > > My parentage has nothing to do with it. *I* am defined > > by where *I* was born, not by where someone else was. > > If my mother was born in Japan (she wasn't, by the way, > > neither was she born in Wales) would that make me > > Japanese..? > > It would make you part Japanese. I can't be part anything, unless you cut me into bits. Which bit would be Japanese, my left leg..? > > > > I said I wasn't a European, which I'm not, and > > > > nothing you say will make it otherwise, so give up > > > > now, I never will. > > > > > > On the contrary, you are European whether you like it > > > or not, and nothing you say will make it otherwise. > > > > Wrong. Give up now, I will take this on forever, you > > will *never* make me say I am what I am not. Ever. Get > > used to it. > > What you say is irrelevant, you are European. Wrong. Give up. > > > If you > > > were born of parents whose ethnic origins are European > > > then you are European. It's like being a human male, > > > you don't get any say in the matter. > > > > I am defined by my country not continent, and by where > > *I* was born not someone else. > > As are the Germans, the French, the Irish, the Dutch et > al. They will all (with the exception of the usual > weirdos) say they are nationals of their country, but > they're still European. To you, maybe. To other people, maybe. Not to me. Give up. > What makes you think you're > different to the other 400,000,000 or so people who live > on this continent? Nothing. If they want to describe themselves as something they're not, that's up to them. I don't and never will. Give up. Ivor
From: Brimstone on 19 Aug 2006 14:18 "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message news:4kp2o1Fd91ooU1(a)individual.net... > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:O8mdnXqSgtm4yXrZRVnyqA(a)bt.com >> "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message >> news:4kp1t9Fd9flvU1(a)individual.net... >> > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> > news:gKKdnSyNBsv6zXrZnZ2dnUVZ8tGdnZ2d(a)bt.com >> > >> > [snip] >> > >> > > It's a simple fact of life, like the colour of your >> > > hair or eyes. You're a European, unless your parents >> > > are of a different ethnic origin to the natives. >> > >> > Wrong. My parents have nothing to do with it, neither >> > does a continent. I am defined by my country of birth, >> > and nothing, repeat *NOTHING* else. >> >> Are you serious? Are you really saying that you parents >> had nothing to do with your birth? > > No, I'm saying that their nationality has nothing to do with mine, apart > from the fact that my mother was (obviously) in the country I was born in > at the time. That's a relief, I was getting a bit concerned. :-) >> There's no point in you putting your fingers in your ears >> and shouting to keep out the noise. Your country of birth >> is in Europe, therefore, even by your own definition, you >> are European. > > There's no point in you putting your fingers in your ears and shouting > "you're a European" because that still won't make me one. I am defined by > my *country* not a continent. End of story. I don't have to shout anything to make you what you already are. You are defined by country, state, continent and (if ever the time comes) planet.
From: Ivor Jones on 19 Aug 2006 14:18
"Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:9f-dncWxYvDQyHrZnZ2dnUVZ8tednZ2d(a)bt.com [snip] > So the cultural and other influences that your parents, > grandparents, aunts and uncles (assuming you have any) > impressed upon you throughout your childhood have had no > effect? Correct. My nationality is the country of my birth. Nothing else. Ivor |