From: Brimstone on

"Paul {Hamilton Rooney}" <craig(a)oil.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:18:43 +0100, "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:4kp2o1Fd91ooU1(a)individual.net...
>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:O8mdnXqSgtm4yXrZRVnyqA(a)bt.com
>>>> "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:4kp1t9Fd9flvU1(a)individual.net...
>>>> > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> > news:gKKdnSyNBsv6zXrZnZ2dnUVZ8tGdnZ2d(a)bt.com
>>>> >
>>>> > [snip]
>>>> >
>>>> > > It's a simple fact of life, like the colour of your
>>>> > > hair or eyes. You're a European, unless your parents
>>>> > > are of a different ethnic origin to the natives.
>>>> >
>>>> > Wrong. My parents have nothing to do with it, neither
>>>> > does a continent. I am defined by my country of birth,
>>>> > and nothing, repeat *NOTHING* else.
>>>>
>>>> Are you serious? Are you really saying that you parents
>>>> had nothing to do with your birth?
>>>
>>> No, I'm saying that their nationality has nothing to do with mine, apart
>>> from the fact that my mother was (obviously) in the country I was born
>>> in
>>> at the time.
>>
>>That's a relief, I was getting a bit concerned. :-)
>>
>>>> There's no point in you putting your fingers in your ears
>>>> and shouting to keep out the noise. Your country of birth
>>>> is in Europe, therefore, even by your own definition, you
>>>> are European.
>>>
>>> There's no point in you putting your fingers in your ears and shouting
>>> "you're a European" because that still won't make me one. I am defined
>>> by
>>> my *country* not a continent. End of story.
>>
>>I don't have to shout anything to make you what you already are. You are
>>defined by country, state, continent and (if ever the time comes) planet.
>>
>
> Ivor is not an Earthling, clearly.

But I thought the last lot that invaded the south of England were killed off
by the bacteria?


From: PC Paul on
Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:sNednS1y7K-fy3rZnZ2dnUVZ8qGdnZ2d(a)bt.com
>
> [snip]
>
>> I don't have to shout anything to make you what you
>> already are. You are defined by country, state, continent
>> and (if ever the time comes) planet.
>
> Country. Nothing else. Give up.

Don't think I will, puny Earthling.


From: Richard Brookman on
Tony Raven wrote:

|| Paul {Hamilton Rooney} wrote on 19/08/2006 09:58 +0100:
|||
||| You hear it on the BBC now. There was a time when those anals
||| wouldn't even split an infinitive.
||
|| Although it's grammatically perfectly OK to split an infinitive
|| (Cambridge Grammar of the English Language Chapter 4)
||
|||
||| Usage is usage. Neither accurate nor inaccurate. That's how
||| language works.
|||
||
|| It has to be more than just usage otherwise writing "guvf vf n ybnq
|| bs yvathvfgvp gbfu" would be considered perfectly acceptable
|| English.

That's not usage, that just you making something up. Usage is what is
generally agreed among language users, which is how communication is
possible. If 99 of us refer to a bit of furniture as a "table" and the
other 1 calls it a "gnoyr", then usage says it's a table.

--
Rich
==============================

Take out the obvious to email me.


From: Tony Raven on
Brimstone wrote on 19/08/2006 19:53 +0100:
>
>> It has to be more than just usage otherwise writing "guvf vf n ybnq bs
>> yvathvfgvp gbfu" would be considered perfectly acceptable English.
>
> For which I, and others I expect, would need a translation.
>

No translation needed. According to Paul's usage criterion, since I am
English and used it, it is English.


--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci
From: Adrian on
PC Paul (urd(a)munge.org.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :

> Look, poor Ivor has said he gives up lots of times, why not just let him!

I'm not *forcing* him to reply... are you?