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From: Brimstone on 21 Aug 2006 05:07 Ivor Jones wrote: > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:kv6dnWsgktB8-HTZRVny3g(a)bt.com > > [snip] > >> To be called something is one thing, to deny what they >> are is something quite different. You are denying being a >> European, despite evidence to the contrary. > > You have no evidence. You have only what you have inferred. You have said you were born in England of a Welsh father. Unless you say otherwise then there is an assumption that your mother is also English, Welsh, Scots or Irish. That combination makes you British and European. If that's incorrect then by all means put it right. > I am not a European, the fact that you refuse to accept it shouldn't > be my problem. You created the problem.
From: Brimstone on 21 Aug 2006 05:11 Ivor Jones wrote: > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:Eb-dnXlS_u_K-3TZnZ2dnUVZ8tednZ2d(a)bt.com >> Ivor Jones wrote: >>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:8LidnaFbDoesx3TZRVnyhA(a)bt.com >>> >>> [snip] >>> >>>> It's got nothing to do with likes and dislikes, it's a >>>> simple matter of what is or is not. >>> >>> And who decides what is or is not..? You..? I don't >>> think so. >> >> It determined at birth, if not before. It is not a matter >> of choice or decision. > > It is exactly that. So (at the pain of repetition) did you choose to be born male, choose the colour of your skin, hair or eyes (OK, you might have chosen to alter the last two later in life)? >>> *I* decide as far as I'm concerned. >> >> Did you decide your gender or the colour of your hair or >> of your skin? > > No. But those aren't under discussion. You are deciding for me what I > am. You do not have that right. You are trying to absolve yourself of > responsibility by saying it is not a matter of choice, but you are > still making decisions you have no right to make. No one is deciding anything for you.
From: Adrian on 21 Aug 2006 05:18 Ivor Jones (ivor(a)despammed.invalid) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : >> It's a geopolitical fact that you, as a national of a >> European country, are a European. > Wrong. I do not take definitions from continents, I take them from > countries. Sorry, but that's just not your choice. You might not *choose* to describe yourself as a European, but you are. It's an immutable fact, and to try to deny it is denial at best, and Ostrich syndrome at worst.
From: Adrian on 21 Aug 2006 05:19 Ivor Jones (ivor(a)despammed.invalid) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : > All I am asking is that you stop calling me a European, ok..? You can > think and genuinely believe I am one all you like, just stop calling me > it. > > Please. Think of this thread as aversion therapy. Before long you'll come to accept the truth, and it just won't be an insult any more.
From: Ivor Jones on 21 Aug 2006 05:22
"Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:mI6dnaDP0ZlT6nTZnZ2dnUVZ8tSdnZ2d(a)bt.com > Ivor Jones wrote: > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:kv6dnWsgktB8-HTZRVny3g(a)bt.com > > > > [snip] > > > > > To be called something is one thing, to deny what they > > > are is something quite different. You are denying > > > being a European, despite evidence to the contrary. > > > > You have no evidence. You have only what you have > > inferred. > > You have said you were born in England of a Welsh father. > Unless you say otherwise then there is an assumption that > your mother is also English, Welsh, Scots or Irish. That > combination makes you British and European. If that's > incorrect then by all means put it right. That combination has nothing to do with it. I am English not European. > > I am not a European, the fact that you refuse to accept > > it shouldn't be my problem. > > You created the problem. I created nothing. However there is a problem and you perpetuate it. I have asked you to stop but you refuse. Ivor |