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From: Ivor Jones on 21 Aug 2006 05:24 "Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:Xns982668E88CEB6adrianachapmanfreeis(a)204.153.244.170 > Ivor Jones (ivor(a)despammed.invalid) gurgled happily, > sounding much like they were saying : > > > > It's a geopolitical fact that you, as a national of a > > > European country, are a European. > > > Wrong. I do not take definitions from continents, I > > take them from countries. > > Sorry, but that's just not your choice. Sorry, but it is. > You might not > *choose* to describe yourself as a European, but you are. I am not. You do not have the right to describe me as anything. > It's an immutable fact It is not. > and to try to deny it is denial > at best, and Ostrich syndrome at worst. Wrong. Ivor
From: Ivor Jones on 21 Aug 2006 05:26 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:MNadnXZMT44w5XTZRVnyrg(a)bt.com > Ivor Jones wrote: > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:Eb-dnXlS_u_K-3TZnZ2dnUVZ8tednZ2d(a)bt.com > > > Ivor Jones wrote: > > > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:8LidnaFbDoesx3TZRVnyhA(a)bt.com > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > It's got nothing to do with likes and dislikes, > > > > > it's a simple matter of what is or is not. > > > > > > > > And who decides what is or is not..? You..? I don't > > > > think so. > > > > > > It determined at birth, if not before. It is not a > > > matter of choice or decision. > > > > It is exactly that. > > So (at the pain of repetition) did you choose to be born > male, choose the colour of your skin, hair or eyes (OK, > you might have chosen to alter the last two later in > life)? Repeat it all you like, it will still not make me a European. > > > > *I* decide as far as I'm concerned. > > > > > > Did you decide your gender or the colour of your hair > > > or of your skin? > > > > No. But those aren't under discussion. You are deciding > > for me what I am. You do not have that right. You are > > trying to absolve yourself of responsibility by saying > > it is not a matter of choice, but you are still making > > decisions you have no right to make. > > No one is deciding anything for you. You are deciding from what you believe to be evidence, that I am a European..! I repeat, you do not have that right. Ivor
From: Brimstone on 21 Aug 2006 05:26 Ivor Jones wrote: > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:mI6dnaDP0ZlT6nTZnZ2dnUVZ8tSdnZ2d(a)bt.com >> Ivor Jones wrote: >>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:kv6dnWsgktB8-HTZRVny3g(a)bt.com >>> >>> [snip] >>> >>>> To be called something is one thing, to deny what they >>>> are is something quite different. You are denying >>>> being a European, despite evidence to the contrary. >>> >>> You have no evidence. You have only what you have >>> inferred. >> >> You have said you were born in England of a Welsh father. >> Unless you say otherwise then there is an assumption that >> your mother is also English, Welsh, Scots or Irish. That >> combination makes you British and European. If that's >> incorrect then by all means put it right. > > That combination has nothing to do with it. I am English not European. > >>> I am not a European, the fact that you refuse to accept >>> it shouldn't be my problem. >> >> You created the problem. > > I created nothing. However there is a problem and you perpetuate it. I > have asked you to stop but you refuse. Perhaps you need to go back to the start of this sub-thread. You started getting excited over nothing and the more excited you got more and more people started asking. You are the author of your own misfortune. You can either tell the whole story or you can stay quiet. Your choice.
From: Brimstone on 21 Aug 2006 05:26 Adrian wrote: > Ivor Jones (ivor(a)despammed.invalid) gurgled happily, sounding much > like they were saying : > >>> It's a geopolitical fact that you, as a national of a >>> European country, are a European. > >> Wrong. I do not take definitions from continents, I take them from >> countries. > > Sorry, but that's just not your choice. You might not *choose* to > describe yourself as a European, but you are. It's an immutable fact, > and to try to deny it is denial at best, and Ostrich syndrome at > worst. Is the sand deep enough?
From: Brimstone on 21 Aug 2006 05:28
Ivor Jones wrote: > You are deciding from what you believe to be evidence, that I am a > European..! I repeat, you do not have that right. No one is claiming it as any sort of "right". We're simply making a statement of immutable fact. |