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From: Brimstone on 2 May 2010 14:41 "tim...." <tims_new_home(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:845t6rFiefU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:oIqdnXKKpvCl2UDWnZ2dnUVZ7tCdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >> >> >> "Derek C" <del.copeland(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:bd1985ca-b750-41df-bae7-1c2c72a50450(a)y36g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... >>> On May 2, 8:41 am, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> "Derek C" <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message >>>> >>>> news:bbb423ba-85fd-4acc-bb9d-9360dcee38cb(a)i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... >>>> >>>> > Over the last 13 years motorists and air travellers have been >>>> > persecuted and taxed to death by Gordon Brown and Co. Remember the >>>> > fuel duty escalator, >>>> >>>> Introduced by the Tories and removed by Labour. >>> >>> Not always implemented by Nu Labour because the Government were >>> frightened of riots. It has been this year and in a staged manner. >> >> Show me where the Fuel Duty Escalator has been reintroduced. >> >>>> > attacks on 4x4 SUVs, >>>> >>>> What "attacks", what "SUVs"? >>> >>> Until all the snow last winter, you were almost made a pariah for >>> driving such a vehicle. >> >> Which doesn't answer the question, "What "attacks", what "SUVs"?" >> >>>> > special VED on new large engined cars, >>>> >>>> I can find no reference to any such thing. >>> >>> up to �900 for the 1st year for a new large engined car, introduced by >>> Alister Darling. >> >> Define "large engine". > > I don't think that you can reasonably argue that NL didn't introduce > draconian taxes on some new cars because the OP erroneously put "large > engines" instead of "higher polluting engines" > Indeed, unfortunately it's through such errors that other people acquire misinformation and fail to understand the true situation. What the PP fails to mention is that Labour also removed some vehicles completely from paying VED which will affect far more people than those which have had their VED increased. Those vehicles removed from paying VED still need to go through the rigmarole of getting a tax disc.
From: DavidR on 2 May 2010 17:18 "Conor" <conor(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote in message news:844noqFfliU3(a)mid.individual.net... > Fuel, as a percentage of income (thanks to the NMW brought in by Labour) > is cheaper than it was when I started driving 20 years ago, likewise road > tax. Back in 82, petrol cost �1.20 a gallon and my car did about 35mpg. Now it costs �5.40 a gallon and my car does 52mpg. So cost per mile is up by a factor of 3.4. If graduate salaries (ie, the difference between my salary then and my children now) are representative, earnings are up roughly 10 fold. So it's now possible to do 3 miles for the same unit of work time as 1 mile cost 30 years ago. Bargain.
From: DavidR on 2 May 2010 17:17 "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote > > <http://www.theaa.com/onlinenews/allaboutcars/fuel/2010/april2010.pdf> > > DIESEL PRICES IN EUROPE & USA ... > UK pence per litre (�1.21 in the UK) > > STARTQUOTE: > Austria 98.78 no tolls > Belgium 101.06 no tolls > Czech 105.59 > Denmark 115.39 no tolls > Finland 100.09 > France 111.58 > Germany 107.64 no tolls > Greece 106.58 > Netherlands 107.28 no tolls > Hungary 103.34 > Ireland 107.02 > Italy 113.78 > Luxembourg 89.30 no tolls > Estonia 96.38 > Norway 130.64* (only one where fuel costs more than in the UK) > Latvia 95.01 > Lithuania 90.10 > Poland Z93.63 > Slovakia 97.02 > Slovenia 98.69 > Portugal 93.34 > Spain 95.62 > Sweden 116.27 > Switzerland 106.96 no tolls (you have to pay an annual road tax) > United States of America 52.89 > Malta 90.35 > Bulgaria 96.39 I wonder how it would look if the list was quoted as a proportion of average income for each country. I expect the Maltese or Bulgarians must be going round with big smug grins wondering what to do with their spare dosh. Unlikely I should think. Don't you?
From: JNugent on 2 May 2010 17:26 Brimstone wrote: > > > "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message > news:gq-dnfpK6J0hJEDWnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4p2d(a)pipex.net... >> Brimstone wrote: >>> >>> >>> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message >>> news:QIKdnblQlMSAK0DWnZ2dnUVZ8vdi4p2d(a)pipex.net... >>>> Brimstone wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:waqdnX7q45OZBUDWnZ2dnUVZ7v6dnZ2d(a)pipex.net... >>>>>> Brimstone wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Derek C" <del.copeland(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:bd1985ca-b750-41df-bae7-1c2c72a50450(a)y36g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 2, 8:41 am, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> "Derek C" <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> news:bbb423ba-85fd-4acc-bb9d-9360dcee38cb(a)i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > Over the last 13 years motorists and air travellers have been >>>>>>>>> > persecuted and taxed to death by Gordon Brown and Co. >>>>>>>>> Remember > the >>>>>>>>> > fuel duty escalator, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Introduced by the Tories and removed by Labour. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not always implemented by Nu Labour because the Government were >>>>>>>> frightened of riots. It has been this year and in a staged manner. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Show me where the Fuel Duty Escalator has been reintroduced. >>>>>> >>>>>> Three separate 1p a litre (4.545p a gallon) increases in the tax, >>>>>> plus 17.5% on top of each of those in VAT, inside a year. >>>>>> Let's see - in a hypothetical case where fuel was previously >>>>>> costing �1 a litre (�4.55 a gallon), that would raise the price to >>>>>> �1.03525 a litre (�4.71 a gallon). >>>>>> >>>>>> Does that not count, simply because the government - dishonestly >>>>>> have not applied the name to it? >>>>>> >>>>> No it doesn't, that is the annual increase in fuel duty staged over >>>>> several months rather than dumping on those paying all at once. >>>>> It's not the fuel duty escalator. >>>>> >>>>> You obviously don't know what the Fuel Duty Escalator was. >>>> >>>> Never mind the name of it - we all know that Labour have been >>>> terrified since 2000 of a re-emergence of the Peoples' Fuel Campaign >>>> - what is the practical difference? >>> >>> If you don't know what the Fuel Duty Escalator was then there's no >>> point in trying to explain. >> >> We all know what it was. >> >> The current system is the same thing. > > How so? Because it's no different?
From: JNugent on 2 May 2010 17:29
DavidR wrote: > "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote >> <http://www.theaa.com/onlinenews/allaboutcars/fuel/2010/april2010.pdf> >> >> DIESEL PRICES IN EUROPE & USA ... >> UK pence per litre (�1.21 in the UK) >> >> STARTQUOTE: >> Austria 98.78 no tolls >> Belgium 101.06 no tolls >> Czech 105.59 >> Denmark 115.39 no tolls >> Finland 100.09 >> France 111.58 >> Germany 107.64 no tolls >> Greece 106.58 >> Netherlands 107.28 no tolls >> Hungary 103.34 >> Ireland 107.02 >> Italy 113.78 >> Luxembourg 89.30 no tolls >> Estonia 96.38 >> Norway 130.64* (only one where fuel costs more than in the UK) >> Latvia 95.01 >> Lithuania 90.10 >> Poland Z93.63 >> Slovakia 97.02 >> Slovenia 98.69 >> Portugal 93.34 >> Spain 95.62 >> Sweden 116.27 >> Switzerland 106.96 no tolls (you have to pay an annual road tax) >> United States of America 52.89 >> Malta 90.35 >> Bulgaria 96.39 > > I wonder how it would look if the list was quoted as a proportion of average > income for each country. I expect the Maltese or Bulgarians must be going > round with big smug grins wondering what to do with their spare dosh. > Unlikely > I should think. Don't you? The point would be just as well-made - pwrhaps even better-made - if only Western European countries were included. Just think of the EU as it was around ten years ago. Except for Norway, we are the most expensive, and probably very near the bottom for wage levels. |