From: Alex Heney on
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:52:16 +0100, "Brimstone"
<brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message
>news:4kp14fFd9k96U1(a)individual.net...
>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:cK6dnTgzcauTs3rZRVnygg(a)bt.com
>>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>> > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> > news:CeWdnSWvU9LHI3vZRVnyuQ(a)bt.com
>>> >
>>> > [snip]
>>> >
>>> > > So you're an immigrant?
>>> >
>>> > No, my father was..! I was born in Essex.
>>>
>>> You're still an immigrant in that you're not English.
>>
>> Now you're really talking cobblers. How can I not be English if I was born
>> in England..?
>
>Because of your parentage.
>

By that argument, there is (and can be) nobody who is English.


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From: Alex Heney on
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:27:40 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote:

>"Tony Raven" <junk(a)raven-family.com> wrote in message
>news:4kpae9FdacebU2(a)individual.net
>> Ivor Jones wrote on 19/08/2006 21:09 +0100:
>> >
>> > I am not a European.
>> >
>>
>> Are, are, are! ;-)
>
>Yawn.
>
>> Anyway, what do you have against being European?
>
>Nothing, because I can't be what I'm not.
>

I think I should apologise for my remark earlier.

to say you come across like a gibbering idiot on this subject is
extremely insulting to gibbering idiots.
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From: Alex Heney on
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 09:16:32 +0100, "Brimstone"
<brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

>Paul {Hamilton Rooney} wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 08:08:44 +0100, "Brimstone"
>> <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Alex Heney" <me8(a)privacy.net> wrote in message
>>> news:5lhce2dfu34qn4ppn7o1frf94sgfl0t2fv(a)4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 21:50:58 +0100, Tony Raven
>>>> <junk(a)raven-family.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Alex Heney wrote on 18/08/2006 21:40 +0100:
>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:58:04 GMT, JAF
>>>>>> <anarchSPAMKILLER(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:07:41 +0100, Paul {Hamilton Rooney}
>>>>>>> <craig(a)oil.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It meant a fixed thing or place.
>>>>>>> Post (stick in the ground) and post (mail) have different
>>>>>>> origins.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And "undertake" (to take upon oneself), "undertake" (to carry out
>>>>>> funerals) and "undertake" (to pass on the "wrong" side) all have
>>>>>> different origins.
>>>>>
>>>>> But only the first two are recognised by the OED.
>>>>
>>>> True.
>>>>
>>>> But give it time :-)
>>>
>>> How long?
>>>
>>
>> I'd guess two or three years.
>
>Hmmm, I've been hearing it used in the sense of passing another vehicle on
>the nearside for as many decades, how come the OED haven't included it yet?
>

The OED require print evidence of it having been used with that
meaning.

Didn't you watch "Balderdash and Piffle" on BBC2 recently?
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From: Alex Heney on
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:23:18 +0100, "Brimstone"
<brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

>David Taylor wrote:
>> On 2006-08-19, Brimstone <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Paul {Hamilton Rooney} wrote:
>>>
>>>> If we all email them today, maybe they'll put it in the next
>>>> edition!
>>>
>>> Since it's an inaccurate usage why bother?
>>
>> There is so much wrong with that sentence, I don't entirely know
>> where to start.
>>
>> The English language is described BY it's usage. The dictionaries are
>> merely there to document that usage. That English changes over time
>> is rather obvious -- look at Shakespeare's plays.
>
>Quite true but, as I've said elsewhere, the word in question has been in
>widespread use for several decades and the OED hasn't seen fit to include it
>whereas they have with other more recent words and uses.
>

So they have missed it.

I am quite sure that if somebody presented them with evidence that it
was a recognised meaning of the word, they would include it.
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From: mattic on

"Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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> On the page with my photo on it says British Citizen.

That's amazing! Coz I'd've put big money on it saying, "Cockhead"